tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post2629072454017872980..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: Raw Sewage and Gender EqualityBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-41268242406084866502013-01-21T23:42:02.478-08:002013-01-21T23:42:02.478-08:00My son is studying Electrical Engineering. He too...My son is studying Electrical Engineering. He took a picture of the department office. In it there was a rack with back issues of two magazines: Minority Engineer, and Woman Engineer.<br /><br />In his classes, there are, despite strenuous recruitment to the contrary, no women or minorities.<br /><br />Unless Asians count, which, being minorities, they should, but don't.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-7438046906326783432013-01-21T13:43:21.483-08:002013-01-21T13:43:21.483-08:00This question of women in math and science hits ho...This question of women in math and science hits home. In my youth, we weren't allowed in and in fact, I was insulted and ridiculed and asked to withdraw from a math class in high school. <br /><br />That changed when I managed to get the highest mark on the Regents exam. I still couldn't get a job as anything other than as a high school teacher or a human computer doing actuarial statistics (before computers) which I declined opting for marriage and children.<br /><br />This fall, my granddaughter who as a high school sophomore scored in the 99th percentile on the PSAT's has been beseiged by emails from major colleges and universities begging her to consider them. <br /><br />At this point, she's leaning toward a career in the performing arts and that's fine with her family.<br /><br />Let's all follow our own inclinations. We need to stop chopping and dicing ourselves into smaller and smaller sections.<br /><br />Q. What difference does it make what percentage of engineers or any other profession are women or black or gay or whatever other designation the left can dream up?<br /><br />A. Absolutelty none.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-21087811845439621422013-01-21T13:25:27.550-08:002013-01-21T13:25:27.550-08:00Nice post. I learn something totally new and chall... <br />Nice post. I learn something totally new and challenging on websites I stumbleupon every day. It's always helpful to read articles from other writers and practice a little something from other web sites. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-19644637823524840712013-01-21T11:03:23.176-08:002013-01-21T11:03:23.176-08:00The problem as far as the big picture is concerned...<i>The problem as far as the big picture is concerned, it's too complicated to fit in the neat boxes of "equality of opportunity" vs. "equality of outcome"</i><br /><br />Admittedly, I was thinking of opportunity v. outcome in the most simplistic possible way; i.e., removing <i>de jure</i> impediments.<br /><br />Which, as far as matters, has already happened. Moreover, society has pretty much taken the notion fully on board. So, what remains "unequal" is either the residue of custom, or the outcome of preference. Either way, further "improvement" imposed upon us by our intellectual "betters" is either pointless, or worse. (Scare quotes around "betters" because if they were smart enough to take this on board — Amanda Marcotte, for just one particularly obnoxious example — they would find something else to do. They aren't and haven't. Therefore, are in fact worsers. QED.<br /><br /><i>A woman and a man are hired by the same company to perform the same tasks. The woman and the man have identical educational and experience backgrounds. Should the company offer them the identical starting salary? </i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/30/breaking-the-bias-against-women-in-science/?nl=opinion&emc=edit_ty_20121001" rel="nofollow">Funny you should ask</a>.<br /><br />At the link, there is angsting about an at least plausible <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html" rel="nofollow">study</a> that concludes <i>there is a pervasive and unconscious bias on university campuses that favors male science students over their female counterparts. The result is fewer women in scientific professions. And as a recent <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/the-myth-of-male-decline.html?src=me&ref=general" rel="nofollow">Sunday Review</a> article pointed out, it’s not just in science where women are underrepresented, electrical engineering, a huge growth industry, is dominated by men. </i><br /><br />The study notes that both men <i>and</i> women (apparently) discriminate against female applicants.<br /><br />Okay, take that as given. None of the links even touches on the possibility of proxy merit-linked discrimination. That is, all of the people making hiring decisions have experience with those already employed in technical fields. It may well be based upon their experience, for all manner of reasons, they would rather hire a male than a female. And every one of those reasons could be merit based.<br /><br />So, to rephrase the question your daughter should be asking just a little: "Should the company be forced to offer them the identical salary?"<br /><br /><i>Because then, the man goes home and cleans out the drains and the woman goes shopping. Still equality of opportunity? </i><br /><br />Reminds me of <a href="http://dailyduck.blogspot.com/2008/04/i-am-calling-shenanigans.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, a University of Michigan "study" proving that men don't do their share of housework.<br /><br />They got to that conclusion by excluding <i>every</i> task men do that women don't, won't, or can't. Studies like this, which are so typical of the collectivist social "sciences", conclusively demonstrate (I'm going all meta here) all the forms of collectivism — in this case, feminism — are religions, and all their claims should be viewed in that light.<br /><br />About that "… or can't". It is uncomfortable to say, but it bears saying nonetheless. There are two things in life that women can do that men can't, and one of them isn't essential.<br /><br />The list of things that women can't do could go on for pages. Add won't do, and the list turns into a book.<br /><br />Now let's revisit that whole "equality" thing. <br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-80452989088259236802013-01-20T14:37:45.923-08:002013-01-20T14:37:45.923-08:00Another smart girl! Too bad she'll find that...Another smart girl! Too bad she'll find that boys do do girl stuff and it ain't pretty.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-33758541837866462372013-01-20T13:14:58.154-08:002013-01-20T13:14:58.154-08:00Heh, erp. My daughter thinks the proper order of g...Heh, erp. My daughter thinks the proper order of gender relations is "boys have to do boy stuff but I can do girl stuff *or* boy stuff".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-45353416938292389132013-01-20T10:31:10.390-08:002013-01-20T10:31:10.390-08:00The problem as far as the big picture is concerned...The problem as far as the big picture is concerned, it's too complicated to fit in the neat boxes of "equality of opportunity" vs. "equality of outcome".<br /><br />A woman and a man are hired by the same company to perform the same tasks. The woman and the man have identical educational and experience backgrounds. Should the company offer them the identical starting salary?<br /><br />If so, would that be equality of opportunity?<br /><br />Because then, the man goes home and cleans out the drains and the woman goes shopping. Still equality of opportunity?<br /><br />Because then, the woman gets pregnant and starts working less, then gives birth, takes extended maternity leave and when she comes back, works even less. The man keeps working very full time. Still equality of opportunity?<br /><br />Because then, the woman leaves the man, gets full custody of the children and a large alimony payment. Still equality of opportunity?<br /><br />I think that equality of opportunity is a wonderful concept if you're in a preferred group and you can pick and choose which things you want to be equal and which things you want to be preferred. However, from any sort of objective viewpoint, if you look at the whole picture, there's no such thing.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-22358512884823338082013-01-20T09:55:59.499-08:002013-01-20T09:55:59.499-08:00... there should be full gender equality ...
Equ...<i>... there should be full gender equality ... </i><br /><br />Equality of what, exactly; opportunity, or outcome?<br /><br />If the former, then helllloooo parity errors. The latter, welcome to your re-education camp.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-60209150467814597992013-01-20T08:14:45.433-08:002013-01-20T08:14:45.433-08:00Smart girl. Why should she settle for equality whe...Smart girl. Why should she settle for equality when we've always been the superior sex.<br /><br />Heavy lifting is for those with the larger muscle mass. erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.com