tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post6801304926542712262..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: Rotten ApplesBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger156125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-20720658669128553072014-12-21T15:52:10.807-08:002014-12-21T15:52:10.807-08:00Bret/Clovis/AOG
Are you guys having a game of &qu...Bret/Clovis/AOG<br /><br />Are you guys having a game of "Where's Waldo?"?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15836910211382887430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-81329634473231179772014-12-21T06:37:04.606-08:002014-12-21T06:37:04.606-08:00Bret,
Why not from you?
Which is my point. Not o...Bret,<br /><br />Why not from you?<br /><br />Which is my point. Not only people not very closely related are supposed to never mind other people business in your culture. Even the closely related have little room to offer advice too.<br /><br />It is a cultural difference from down here. I am not judging which is better - it can be good or bad depending on the situation - but in this case it can make a difference.Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-2085167097877148942014-12-20T22:38:32.848-08:002014-12-20T22:38:32.848-08:00Clovis wrote: "If you don't know the answ...Clovis wrote: "<i>If you don't know the answer for that question, Bret, you've just proved my point.</i>"<br /><br />I can see why you interpreted my question much differently than I intended, so let me try again.<br /><br />First, I'll answer my own question ("from where do you think this counseling should come"), for me.<br /><br />The advice/counseling should come, in my opinion, from parents, family, friends, community, religious entities, and on-campus services.<br /><br />But virtually everybody has access to some combination of the above before and during college. And I believe that to be obvious. So I concluded that you think support should come from somewhere else.<br /><br />Where?Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-46763441415412307822014-12-20T21:04:27.945-08:002014-12-20T21:04:27.945-08:00Um, OK. I have no idea why answering a question ma...Um, OK. I have no idea why answering a question makes you lose, but whatever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-71877607338338720212014-12-20T12:03:33.940-08:002014-12-20T12:03:33.940-08:00I see, heads I loose and tails you win.I see, heads I loose and tails you win.Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-11229565647228468902014-12-20T09:55:53.509-08:002014-12-20T09:55:53.509-08:00Clovis;
No.
We have no idea where you think such...Clovis;<br /><br />No.<br /><br />We have no idea where <b>you</b> think such help should come from. You have no evidence that we do not know. If you read the comment string, we've already provided answers to what we consider sources of such help.<br /><br />You, on the other hand, through your evasion of answering Bret's question, are providing circumstantial evidence that <i>you</i> don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-22759739293714245812014-12-20T02:33:40.446-08:002014-12-20T02:33:40.446-08:00AOG,
I posted a comment claiming people were too ...AOG,<br /><br />I posted a comment claiming people were too individualistic to care to help those confused souls, and the answer I've got looks to mean you have not even idea how you can give that help. QED.Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-78576456095290717942014-12-19T21:13:35.111-08:002014-12-19T21:13:35.111-08:00Clovis;
"If you don't know the answer fo...Clovis;<br /><br />"If you don't know the answer for that question, Bret, you've just proved my point." - I don't see that - how does Bret not knowing what you think prove your point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-39744633784402977982014-12-19T18:50:18.962-08:002014-12-19T18:50:18.962-08:00Bret,
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With respect to what? Sex?
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With res...Bret,<br /><br />---<br />With respect to what? Sex?<br />---<br />With respect to relationships in general, including that part of it named sex.<br /><br />The difference for those young men is that, instead of "trauma", they may end up obsessing over performance and get lost in some narcissistic labyrinth.<br /><br />---<br />From where do you think this counseling should come?<br />----<br />If you don't know the answer for that question, Bret, you've just proved my point.Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-76336369099442586912014-12-18T11:49:14.994-08:002014-12-18T11:49:14.994-08:00"From where do you think this counseling shou..."From where do you think this counseling should come?"<br /><br />That was my question!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-24386455266763707162014-12-18T09:29:44.778-08:002014-12-18T09:29:44.778-08:00Clovis wrote: "I'd say nearly 10% of the ...Clovis wrote: "<i>I'd say nearly 10% of the people I know are extra-fragile...</i>"<br /><br />That's exactly my estimate for the percentage of women here as well, so we're almost in complete agreement, except...<br /><br />Clovis wrote: "<i>...both men and women.</i>"<br /><br />With respect to what? Sex? If so, that I don't see, as men seem to be able to deal with sex with women fairly well without suffering trauma in nearly all circumstances.<br /><br /><br />Clovis wrote: "<i>...who are hardly offered a hand and some good counseling...</i>"<br /><br />From where do you think this counseling should come?Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-22181283843555828362014-12-18T09:24:09.890-08:002014-12-18T09:24:09.890-08:00Clovis asks: "Can we agree on allowing Harry ...Clovis asks: "<i>Can we agree on allowing Harry and Erp to keep killing each other?</i>"<br /><br />I'm not gonna moderate frequent commenters, both Harry and Erp are tough as nails from what I can tell, and they both have been commenting so long and at numerous blogs (at least in Harry's case) that I rather doubt they're gonna change their commenting style.<br /><br />I personally try to be reasonably civil (yes, I know I don't always succeed), but at the same time I try to have as thick skin as possible, and I hope those two qualities set a good example. That's all I can ask.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-36549997530417977872014-12-18T08:37:46.785-08:002014-12-18T08:37:46.785-08:00Bret,
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What percentage and number of women wh...Bret,<br /><br />----<br />What percentage and number of women who you know are fragile flowers?<br />----<br />I'd say nearly 10% of the people I know are extra-fragile, both men and women. I also think that's universal, so my bet is that all the noise being made about the "rape culture" in your campi affects no more than that ratio of students.<br /><br />The question then is: how much society should try to accommodate for those people who have more difficulty to deal with the standard environment out there?<br /><br />I surely don't think the violation of due process, being practiced in your universities, is the answer.<br /><br />But I also think the pronounced individualism of your society makes life more difficult for those young people, who are hardly offered a hand and some good counseling, or so it lookers like from here.<br />Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-7733667096832682272014-12-18T08:15:19.808-08:002014-12-18T08:15:19.808-08:00Though I agree and try to comply with civil behavi...Though I agree and try to comply with civil behavior in blogs, I think you guys are being unfair to Harry. He is thoroughly attacked here on many levels, and Erp does make herself available for personal attacks since she practices that unashamedly too. <br /><br />Can we agree on allowing Harry and Erp to keep killing each other? Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-17684512454733528072014-12-18T08:08:14.190-08:002014-12-18T08:08:14.190-08:00Oh, I agree with that. Personal experience and an...Oh, I agree with that. Personal experience and anecdotes can be interesting and informative, especially with a limited audience that knows one another, like here. I'm talking about personal flame wars with <i>ad hominem</i> insults and epithets. They can destroy a blog pretty quickly because serious people will flee.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15836910211382887430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-83777697061631389452014-12-18T07:40:09.799-08:002014-12-18T07:40:09.799-08:00Peter wrote: "...it only works when we rememb...Peter wrote: "<i>...it only works when we remember the issues are more interesting than we are.</i>"<br /><br />Speak for yourself, but what could be more interesting than ME ME ME ME ME?!?!?! :-)<br /><br />I seem to remember at <a href="http://brothersjuddblog.com/" rel="nofollow">BrothersJudd</a> that was one of your "sorta" rules - to not bring personal info into the posts. Perhaps with Orrin, that's a good thing :-), but I generally like a mixture of statistics, analysis, and personal experience and history in posts and comments.<br /><br />Though it certainly would be better if nobody attacked the personal details of anybody else...Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-42243547926454898292014-12-18T05:48:25.307-08:002014-12-18T05:48:25.307-08:00I agree, but what makes the issues even more inter...I agree, but what makes the issues even more interesting is the individual takes and experiences we've had in time and space.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-92213157906167586752014-12-18T05:22:33.411-08:002014-12-18T05:22:33.411-08:00Just be careful when you go out, erp, or I might d...Just be careful when you go out, erp, or I might drag you across a street you don't want to cross.<br /><br />I've been in this blogging game long enough to know it only works when we remember the issues are more interesting than we are.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15836910211382887430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-36501505559256677392014-12-17T16:43:32.745-08:002014-12-17T16:43:32.745-08:00Peter, thank you for being a traditional chivalrou...Peter, thank you for being a traditional chivalrous knight in shining armor. It is appreciated even if it's not necessary. I am so used to being called names by people who have no idea of how to engage is reasoned discourse.<br /><br />I believe blacks can compete on their own merits and affirmative action is harmful across the spectrum of intelligence and ability. The top tier is forever suspect of being mediocre and those of average ability are pushed into situations where they are over their heads perpetuating the cycle of failure.<br /><br />Is anyone shocked by the disgusting racism and anti-Semitism revealed in the hacked emails of entertainment moguls whose output is relentlessly politically correct and a constant scold for us knuckle draggers who don't buy into their shtick?erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-69118570762400402892014-12-17T15:26:09.736-08:002014-12-17T15:26:09.736-08:00You are out of line, Harry. Erp is one tough lady...You are out of line, Harry. Erp is one tough lady who challenges us all, but she has never said anything that merits a personal, family attack or the epithets you are suggesting. You jousted with many male conservatives for years on BrothersJudd and I don't recall any of them doing to you what you are doing to her or your accusing them of anything like what you are suggesting about erp, even though some of them deserved it. How about manning up and apologizing.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15836910211382887430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-73563737535262067962014-12-17T14:18:45.802-08:002014-12-17T14:18:45.802-08:00He and all the others got where they got on their ...He and all the others got where they got on their own as did their father and mother and lots of other children of immigrants of every color and race.<br /><br />I introduced them when you made the accusation that he didn't have colored kids with whom to compete and that wasn't the case either with them or with their parents.<br /><br />I also said, I didn't speak English when I started school, no special classes for me, but by the end of the year, I was at the top of the class where I stayed for the rest of my school career.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-12876190626794633432014-12-17T14:13:17.573-08:002014-12-17T14:13:17.573-08:00'I have two precious sons and a precious daugh...'I have two precious sons and a precious daughter as well as two precious grandsons and five precious granddaughters and I strongly request that you leave any and all references to them out of your comments.'<br /><br />Since you introduced them -- that's where I learned that your son got where he got all on his own, no white-boy privilege there, I find your request strange.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-2208179975502515832014-12-17T14:09:42.246-08:002014-12-17T14:09:42.246-08:00Clovis;
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Since you guys are all parents (or gr...Clovis;<br /><br />--v<br />Since you guys are all parents (or grandparents) of this young people, you can tell me if the description fits your own darlings. If not, please tell me who is lying more to me, conservative blogs or the Old Media?<br />--^<br /><br />False dichotomy, which rests on the presumption that all women in the USA have the same level of fragility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-31672687979919845312014-12-17T11:12:55.936-08:002014-12-17T11:12:55.936-08:00Clovis wrote: "...you can tell me if the desc...Clovis wrote: "<i>...you can tell me if the description fits your own darlings...</i>"<br /><br />My 18-year-old daughter seems to be as tough as nails emotionally and I'm confident she won't be fazed by whatever activities she chooses to partake in, though she's also wise and mature for her age and my guess is that she won't choose to participate in things like the hookup culture. Some of her "friends" (more acquaintances since she doesn't really like them) do indeed strike me as frail fainting flowers of femininity who might not hesitate to cry rape if they have regrets about their own choices.<br /><br />My 15-year-old daughter is a little young to tell yet. Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-40897212940326939152014-12-17T10:58:06.099-08:002014-12-17T10:58:06.099-08:00Clovis:
Re: Fragile Flowers
That's a very to...Clovis:<br /><br />Re: Fragile Flowers<br /><br />That's a very tough one, especially seeing as older generations have been complaining about feckless youth since the dawn of time. It's actually kind of cute seeing Boomers, of all people, complain about how young people today don't have "the right stuff". They seem to have forgotten what the generation that went through the Depression and the war said about them.<br /><br />I'm torn. On the one hand young people today are achievers who work hard and face much more demanding post-secondary academic, employment and even non-academic (sports, etc.) pressure than we did--too much in my view. They are encouraged to worry much too early about things like career choices when they should be working on a fishing boat for a year or backpacking in Europe. My wife and I are struck by how many people we know whose kids have withdrawn or taken a year off from their university studies, etc. because of it, and how many seem to need some kind of counseling as a ballast. I used to be dismissive of it, but it's too prevalent for me to do that anymore.<br /><br />OTOH, they are awash in the therapeutic culture, which to encourages them to magnify every emotional difficulty and challenge, to "talk" about them and to engage in some kind of therapeutic journey in order to "heal" and "learn to accept themselves". I try to be understanding, but at some point I get frustrated and just think they are being unhealthily self-indulgent and wasting their lives picking at emotional sores. <br /><br />Why can't they be as perfect as we were?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15836910211382887430noreply@blogger.com