tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post752618594339379174..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: Social Media May Be Really Unhealthy For CivilizationBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-44856607865544901192018-04-05T11:40:20.783-07:002018-04-05T11:40:20.783-07:00Bret,
It is the height of irony: computer network...Bret,<br /><br />It is the height of irony: computer networks connecting roughly 4 billion people made us all more tribal, yet even those tribes are virtual too.<br /><br />Maybe our brains are really ingrained with this tribal thing, and actually the physical limitations of the world were actors refraining it somehow. The more virtual we get, the more prone to mayhem we'll be.<br /><br />Damn it, the all connected and united virtual world envisaged in the beginnings of the Internet is just another failed utopia. We can't get enough of them.<br />Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-31690515253158646702018-04-05T09:48:09.009-07:002018-04-05T09:48:09.009-07:00Clovis,
You're right. I'm using a kinda l...Clovis,<br /><br />You're right. I'm using a kinda lame definition of tribe, where tribe = "in group" or maybe "community" and why folks consider themselves part of a "tribe" is fairly arbitrary.<br /><br />BUT! The thing to consider is that once people decide they're part of a "tribe" many of the things associated with being tribal (in the more standard definition) seem to apply to these "in groups" and "communities" as well.<br /><br />So not tribe by genetic or proximal relationships, but tribe by voluntary association.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-6193485509919695152018-04-05T09:05:36.528-07:002018-04-05T09:05:36.528-07:00Bret,
Yes, with a caveat: there is barely any ...Bret,<br /><br />Yes, with a caveat: there is barely any 'tribe' - in the sense of a particular subculture those people share - but mostly superficial labels they broadly identify with.Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-52228643283298968262018-04-04T20:28:46.189-07:002018-04-04T20:28:46.189-07:00Clovis, Isn't each of your examples just triba...Clovis, Isn't each of your examples just tribalism? For example, "the conservative tribe" or "soccer tribe x"?<br />Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-63124352954729078532018-04-04T06:28:57.021-07:002018-04-04T06:28:57.021-07:00Pretty interesting, Bret.
And there is also this:...Pretty interesting, Bret.<br /><br />And there is also <a href="https://theintercept.com/2018/04/03/politics-liberal-democrat-conservative-republican/" rel="nofollow">this</a>:<br /><br />---<br />what if the source of this polarization has little do with where people actually fall on the issues, or what people actually believe in? What if people are simply polarized by political labels like "liberal" and "conservative" and what they imagine their opponents to be like more than they are by disagreements over issues like taxes, abortion, and immigration?<br /><br />That news wouldn't surprise anybody who's spent time battling it out in a news outlet's comment section, and it's the firm conclusion of new research by Lilliana Mason, a professor at the University of Maryland.<br /><br />Her paper, "Ideologues Without Issues: the Polarizing Consequences of Ideological Identities," published in late March by Public Opinion Quarterly, uses 2016 data from Survey Sampling International and American National Election Studies to study how and why Americans are politically polarized.<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />"There's been a debate within political science for a long time about whether or not the American public is polarized," Mason said in an interview with The Intercept. "I'm sort of making this argument that as you have multiple social identities that line up together, people hate their out groups more regardless of their policy positions."<br /><br />She noted, for instance, that Americans who identify most strongly as conservative, whether they hold more left-leaning or right-leaning positions on major issues, dislike liberals more than people who more weakly identify as conservatives but may hold very right-leaning issue positions.<br /><br />----<br /><br />I was already under the impression such was true, because soccer.<br /><br />It always looked odd to me how the fans of a team would hate the star scoring player of the opposing team one year, just to love him the next year when he changed shirts (and salary) to play for their team.<br /><br />Kind of reminds me of Donald Trump, a life long Democrat, being the darling of the Right these days.<br /><br />Clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08921327103613284595noreply@blogger.com