tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post7832313364394614089..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: The NYT Repeats Itself: First as Silly, Second as FabulistBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-80057680423034463532017-06-22T14:50:30.520-07:002017-06-22T14:50:30.520-07:00erp, I don't disagree.erp, I don't disagree.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-12281788639154205672017-06-22T14:34:38.994-07:002017-06-22T14:34:38.994-07:00Hey us Slavs rule in brains and beauty. Deal with...Hey us Slavs rule in brains and beauty. Deal with it.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-32820991853444894412017-06-22T14:17:19.107-07:002017-06-22T14:17:19.107-07:00Back in the day, I was at the Dayton peace talks, ...Back in the day, I was at the Dayton peace talks, representing the DoD.<br /><br />Even though I was a complete non-entity.<br /><br />After preventing Milosevic's airplane from landing at the wrong airport, I hosted the aircrew.<br /><br />The flight attendants were Melanias. Every. One. Of. Them.<br /><br />To pick a counter example, there's no way British flight attendants could achieve that level of the world stops rotating beauty.<br /><br />It isn't fair.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-26235320300947013652017-06-22T14:12:09.127-07:002017-06-22T14:12:09.127-07:00I find Melania stunning. I have a thing for the ea...I find Melania stunning. I have a thing for the eastern european look anyway.<br /><br />To me, she's by far the most beautiful first lady of any country ever (before her, Carla Bruni held the title when she was the first lady of France, but Melania eclipses her in my perception).Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-22326243165024017072017-06-22T14:05:48.861-07:002017-06-22T14:05:48.861-07:00Melania is a testament to female beauty as a force...Melania is a testament to female beauty as a force of nature.<br /><br />No matter who the viewer is.<br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-21120442489815988292017-06-22T13:13:22.774-07:002017-06-22T13:13:22.774-07:00Skipper, I don't think Trump is slender, but I...Skipper, I don't think Trump is slender, but I think some of his overweight is a bullet proof vest. <br /><br />I think Melania too wears one sometimes.<br /><br />She's so slender in some pictures, but in others seems thick around the middle.<br /><br />Makes good sense to me.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-73005645505491934212017-06-22T12:03:50.030-07:002017-06-22T12:03:50.030-07:00I agree with all that.I agree with all that.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-3799391491994811752017-06-22T11:16:42.635-07:002017-06-22T11:16:42.635-07:00Bret:
There is a clear distinction here. Clearly...Bret:<br /><br />There is a clear distinction here. Clearly, he was mocking a reporter who also happened to be disabled. Had that silly hand flailing Trump used been reserved solely for that specific person, then that would have been worthy of condemnation. Although making fun of someone for being overweight (Trump) or having the wrong color hair (Trump) combed the wrong way (Trump) is OK.<br /><br />Snark aside, decent people distinguish between superficial characteristics and significant handicap: one is game, the other isn't.<br /><br />And decent people also distinguish between a gesture aimed at a specific person, and one repeatedly used, regardless of handicap. Trump is an ass, but, near as I can tell, he is an equal opportunity ass; pulling out the special status card is just wrong.<br /><br />(Kind of like attributing a hanging effigy of Obama to rightwingers is wrong, considering how often it is progs who are the perps.)Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-23594197658772589332017-06-22T09:45:32.020-07:002017-06-22T09:45:32.020-07:00Hey Skipper wrote: "Trump wasn't mocking ...Hey Skipper wrote: "<i>Trump wasn't mocking a disabled person...</i>"<br /><br />Well, he WAS mocking a disabled person and I'd prefer more care with words here. It strongly looks to me that he was mocking a disabled person, not because that person was disabled, but because Trump mocks people moderately often using those exact same mannerisms and this person happened to be disabled.<br /><br />As a result, I will absolutely defend Trump here. The idea that if a person has attribute X (for example, disabled or black or female or old or ...) that you can't criticize, insult, mock, etc. is absolutely PC bullshit as far as I'm concerned and I'm extremely glad Trump pointedly and repeatedly refuses to be tied down by PC bullshit. Sticks and stones and all that...Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-21901949231240452052017-06-22T05:05:36.479-07:002017-06-22T05:05:36.479-07:00Harry, not to belabor the point, but no where did ...Harry, not to belabor the point, but no where did I defend Trump in any way. Please don't say that again until you are able to supply a direct quote. What I said is that he is far better in every measurable way, even in good looks, than Hillary who is <i><b>unthinkable</b></i> as POTUS. <br /><br />I didn't see the "offensive" gesture, but it was explained adequately at the time as Skipper has made abundantly clear. Disabled people vote and those of them taken in by the propaganda machine that is the media may have been swayed away from voting for Trump.<br /><br />Non-lefty media darlings who who have turned their lives upside down to run for public office do not offend potential voters by ridiculing them ala Hillary's "deplorables" and Obama's "bitter clingers." <br /><br />Again, please don't put words into my mouth. I have an overabundance of them there already. Thanks.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-39567738206886241912017-06-21T21:47:01.077-07:002017-06-21T21:47:01.077-07:00[Harry:] Roof was Roof. Bringing up what someone e...<i>[Harry:] Roof was Roof. Bringing up what someone else did does not change what Roof did. </i><br /><br />How is it you are missing such an obvious point?<br /><br />Let me repeat it for you: <i>Bundy (whose violence isn't a patch on your garden variety anti-fa fascist) Roof, Marx, and anyone else you are going to trot out: <b>they were violent despite the virtually complete lack of incitement to violence</b>. <br /><br />To wit: in labeling Roof a rightwinger, you sling a tarbrush that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. <b>Please, by all means, provide us links to significant, mainstream, rightwing publications that encouraged murdering people because of their race</b>. Because, if you can't — and I am certain you can't — then you have shown yourself completely ignorant of contemporary American culture.<br /></i><br /><br />In contrast with the considerable incitement Hodgkinson had. I can provide very many examples; in fact, I already have.<br /><br />Your reply indicates you have no idea what is going on in the culture, as well as suffering a profound reading comprehension disorder.<br /><br /><i>Since Skipper and erp have decided to defend Trump in what I regard as his most disgusting public performance, I will put you two in the group of rightwingers who are lower than I had realized (until yesterday) existed. </i><br /><br />Once again, Harry, directly quoting me would be a huge help. I didn't defend Trump, I merely noted that as a matter of fact, Trump had used that same silly gesture elsewhere, which went completely unmentioned by liars like you. Of course, that he had done so before doesn't mean Trump wasn't mocking a disabled person, but, at the very least, it raises the possibility.<br /><br />But for someone who engages in fact-free smears (IOW, a progressive) you can't be bothered with that. Just as you can't possibly acknowledge the difference between bringing up a fact, and defending someone.<br /><br /><br /><i> You do the same a RtO, when I remark on events that occurred in 1945, you counter with events that occurred 20 and 30 years later. Protip: Time flows one way.</i><br /><br />Not without a link Harry, I didn't.<br /><br />How is it you are such a slow learner?<br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-24204803459427450082017-06-21T16:10:40.760-07:002017-06-21T16:10:40.760-07:00Harry, you probably do know that your example of T...Harry, you probably do know that your example of Trump dissing a disabled person is bogus, what isn't bogus (it was actually well known to me as kid by reading the NY papers at the time) is that your idol Frankie deliberately and knowingly allowed Pearl Harbor to be bombed with the resulting loss of life just so Congress would be forced to declare war on the Axis and save Uncle Joe's chestnuts from the fire.<br /><br />In your world, the lives of a few sailors pales before horror of the Soviet Union's defeat and collapse, but some of us think that it's not only treasonous and grounds for a firing squad, but far worse than whatever it is you think Trump has said or done to offend political correctness or offend the sensibilities of some snow flakes, with the emphasis on flake.<br /><br />I used to think you were just one of those naive people who actually believed the slogans and nonsenses of lefty speak, but after all these years, I am convinced otherwise. You keep trying to defend the indefensible -- not an easy task, nor one you will ever succeed at.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-23001609328251259932017-06-21T15:47:40.785-07:002017-06-21T15:47:40.785-07:00Skipper, you really need to get a grip. Roof was R...Skipper, you really need to get a grip. Roof was Roof. Bringing up what someone else did does not change what Roof did. <br /><br />You do the same a RtO, when I remark on events that occurred in 1945, you counter with events that occurred 20 and 30 years later. Protip: Time flows one way.<br /><br />Since Skipper and erp have decided to defend Trump in what I regard as his most disgusting public performance, I will put you two in the group of rightwingers who are lower than I had realized (until yesterday) existed. <br /><br />As Bret says, you can learn a lot from Great Guys. The knowledge can be unpleasant.<br /><br /> Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-14425990075812644922017-06-21T15:09:34.279-07:002017-06-21T15:09:34.279-07:00Skipper, I actually remembered that incident, so I...Skipper, I actually remembered that incident, so I didn't have to give WoPo a click, and what I remembered is it had nothing whatever to do with a disabled person as you point out.<br /><br />Everybody has things he/she should apologize for. I don't know anything about Trump, but as I said above, compared to the outright crooks, criminals, liars, rapists, traitors, charlatans, toadies, morons ... on the left, he's a veritable genius and saint and don't get me started on the RINO's. <br /><br />Soros funds McCain's foundation???? Ryan is so full of himself, he's dangerous to himself and those around him. Poor guy, he's modeling his behavior on Obama, but unfortunately for him, he doesn't have a fawning media singing the Hallelujah chorus behind him.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-7955753240901451942017-06-21T14:10:02.921-07:002017-06-21T14:10:02.921-07:00Harry, quite a collection of shame on this thread:...Harry, quite a collection of shame on this thread:<br /><br /><i>I did not copy it so I cannot say it exactly but some sarcastic person on FB noted that when rightwingers sing the praises of firearms for everyone everywhere, and shooting first and asking questions later, they never imagine someone might shoot them.</i><br /><br />Some person who doesn't exist.<br /><br />And …<br /><br /><i>Bundy. You defended him so you know about him</i><br /><br />Noting at this point that you are a newsman, showing a newsman's respect for facts and accountability.<br /><br />But wait, there's more!<br /><br /><i>… you can visit Coulter's site. She recently called for using a nuclear weapon on Tiajuana.</i><br /><br />Ummm, no, she didn't. Clearly, you are incapable of learning …<br /><br /><i>I had thought, following the throat-slashing murders of 2 men in Portland, that Skipper would drop his claim -- made often at RtO -- that leftist violence has no cognates on the right.</i><br /><br />… still incapable of learning …<br /><br /><i>Instead he raises his claim by, eg, absolving Roof's murders of political motivation.</i><br /><br />Just before you parade your ignorance of the fact that the vast majority of solved "hate crimes" are hoaxes:<br /><br /><i>According to Skipper, this never happened:</i> <br /><br />Brilliant, Harry. Just brilliant.<br /><br /><i>I can think of <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-revisionist-history-of-mocking-a-disabled-reporter/?utm_term=.52269cf883e7" rel="nofollow">one thing</a> and, as Bret says, many people voted for Trump, all knew of it and, I assume, thought it was fine.</i><br /><br />Considering what else was on offer, that is a very stupid assumption.<br /><br />What's more, <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/14/did-trump-really-mock-reporters-disability-videos-could-back-him-up.html" rel="nofollow">Trump has used that spastic hands thing other times, without there being a handicapped person in the audience</a>. Dunno why, seems like a darn silly thing to do (although not nearly as silly as your serial lying), but he does it anyway (just like your serial lying).<br /><br /><br />erp:<br /><br />The link is genuine, the outrage feigned. Trump has plenty to apologize for; he has an historical opportunity to rescue the Constitution from the progressive predations. Unfortunately, he is too ignorant, and shows no signs of learning. <br /><br />There are other things he needs to apologize for, but that's OT. What is very on topic is bret's link. Amazingly, considering how egregious they were, I forgot all about those incidents. Substantiates my point: progs have become unhinged reactionaries, and are happy to burn the place down when they don't win.<br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-37146230981951058992017-06-20T18:39:57.669-07:002017-06-20T18:39:57.669-07:00I was surprised when I looked for a link. I would ...I was surprised when I looked for a link. I would not have thought that anything rightwingers could do would be meaner, more mendacious and nastier than what I am accustomed to. I was aware that there had been a rightwing attempt to exculpate Trump for his disgusting behavior. But I was not aware how widespread, how dishonest and how indifferent to facts it could get.<br /><br />I thought I knew how low rightwingers could go. I was wrong.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-78394843761871793082017-06-20T16:05:30.806-07:002017-06-20T16:05:30.806-07:00Washington Post is not a reliable source, so I hav...Washington Post is not a reliable source, so I have no reason to believe that link whatever it is.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-42130425625743409462017-06-20T15:45:44.549-07:002017-06-20T15:45:44.549-07:00Nothing to apologize for with Trump? I can think o...Nothing to apologize for with Trump? I can think of one thing and, as Bret says, many people voted for Trump, all knew of it and, I assume, thought it was fine.<br /><br />https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-revisionist-history-of-mocking-a-disabled-reporter/?utm_term=.52269cf883e7Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-87268099780076688752017-06-20T15:03:29.050-07:002017-06-20T15:03:29.050-07:00Hillary is not POTUS and that trumps everything. ...Hillary is not POTUS and that trumps everything. I'm convinced she would have beaten any of the other Republican candidates.<br /><br />Of course, I would have been happier with a General Patton, but unhappily none showed up. Also, we have nothing to apologize for with Trump. There isn't a single person, of any of the 57 varieties of sexes and sizes, on the left that isn't far worse in every measurable way.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-21608168361153241102017-06-20T14:50:26.367-07:002017-06-20T14:50:26.367-07:00erp wrote: "Now Trump is fighting back tooth ...erp wrote: "<i>Now Trump is fighting back tooth and nail ... and I'm not sure you approve ...</i>"<br /><br />Ah well, it's pretty hard for me to "approve" of someone like Trump. Indeed, that he's the last best hope to stop the relentless progressive advance is actually kinda sickening to me. I mean, Trump? Really? That's the best we can do? Oy!<br /><br />But narrowing a bit, yes I approve of his "fighting back tooth and nail" as it has opened a lot of people's eyes like I wrote a day or two ago. I just wish said fighting was done by someone a little more admirable. But ya hafta take what you can get, I guess.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-44407560887959323582017-06-20T13:29:43.863-07:002017-06-20T13:29:43.863-07:00Bret, I think some time back both you and my husba...Bret, I think some time back both you and my husband faulted Bush for being too gentlemanly and not fighting back -- especially against the media. I disagreed saying Bush believed politics was the "art of the possible," not about being king of the hill.<br /><br />Now Trump is fighting back tooth and nail, not letting anything slide by and I'm not sure you approve and my husband is saying he's not effective because he's too combative and should ignore the media and full steam ahead.<br /><br />:-)erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-71196933204840101442017-06-20T12:30:33.770-07:002017-06-20T12:30:33.770-07:00Victor Davis Hanson weighs in.Victor Davis Hanson <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448781/resistance-regime-change-any-means-necessary-lies-leaks-violence" rel="nofollow">weighs</a> in.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-75340470186647197272017-06-19T15:38:52.301-07:002017-06-19T15:38:52.301-07:00As for tit-for-tatism, which Republican administra...As for tit-for-tatism, which Republican administration would have had the nerve to do <a href="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-nsc-wont-fulfill-request-susan-rice-unmasking-material-records-moved-obama-library/" rel="nofollow">this</a>?erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-358493874201432942017-06-19T15:30:21.130-07:002017-06-19T15:30:21.130-07:00Here's more journalism.Here's more <a href="http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/06/18/scott-pelley-dc-attack-congressmen-was-some-degree-self-inflicted" rel="nofollow">journalism.</a>erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-43360434608194762782017-06-19T14:16:25.807-07:002017-06-19T14:16:25.807-07:00No, Harry.
First, how about you explain your lies...No, Harry.<br /><br />First, how about you explain your lies. And explain how it is you are so certain rightwingers hung that effigy of Obama, when so very often it is progressives fomenting these hate crime hoaxes. <br /><br />I know you were a journalist, but accountability is good for the soul. <br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.com