tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post8330669525767486054..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: Rebranded liberalismBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-3589728177191380672007-08-22T13:38:00.000-07:002007-08-22T13:38:00.000-07:00Not stated, but implied ...is that the anti-libera...<I>Not stated, but implied ...is that the anti-liberal or anti-progressive sector would not have held similar racial views.</I><BR/><BR/>I've reread that section and don't have that impression. It is there for a purpose - to justify stripping progressives of any pretense of moral <B>superiority</B>. My repeated experience is that even an attempt to do so elicits howls and protests. Shelby Steele gives some great examples in his book <A HREF="http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.24354,filter.all/pub_detail.asp" REL="nofollow">White Guilt</A>.<BR/><BR/>There is good and bad in all of us and we are flawed in a variety of ways.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14980738175201874292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-52401198910906902042007-08-20T21:36:00.000-07:002007-08-20T21:36:00.000-07:00I certainly agree that racism was not the exclusiv...I certainly agree that racism was not the exclusive preserve of the progressives.Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-91760953567376324442007-08-20T21:03:00.000-07:002007-08-20T21:03:00.000-07:00That racism was some sort of exclusive preserve of...That racism was some sort of exclusive preserve of Progressives.<BR/><BR/>Also, it would be hard to prove that the South really was more racist than the North.<BR/><BR/>The South had codified its racism, while the North had not (for the most part, although Jews might raise an eyebrow at that claim).Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-4941271844130820352007-08-19T23:06:00.000-07:002007-08-19T23:06:00.000-07:00oroborous,That part of the post seemed to me to fo...oroborous,<BR/><BR/>That part of the post seemed to me to focus on contrasting the idealism with the racism. I don't the that the writer had any problem with those particular programs.<BR/><BR/>What's not to like in that list?Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-85322466567227278082007-08-19T23:05:00.000-07:002007-08-19T23:05:00.000-07:00harry,I'm not sure what Howard had planned to "imp...harry,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what Howard had planned to "imply by presentation" in this post but could see why you interpreted it that way.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you could explain which part of the implication is wrong? (Wilson was democrat and progressive, democrats power base at the time was south, the south was more racist than the north, Lincoln/Republicans freed the slaves, etc.)Brethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-56837520276753278282007-08-19T21:40:00.000-07:002007-08-19T21:40:00.000-07:00Originally, progressive reformers sought to regula...<I>Originally, progressive reformers sought to regulate irresponsible corporate monopoly, safeguarding consumers and labor from the <B>excesses</B> of the profit motive. Furthermore, they desired to correct the evils and inequities created by rapid and uncontrolled urbanization.</I><BR/><BR/><I>To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, women's suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else....</I><BR/><BR/>I don't find those to be a bad things, on whole. From a modern perspective, there were huge defects in society prior to the appearance of the Progressives.<BR/><BR/>Most of the distaste that I have for the modern Left is due to their movement having won every significant reform that they sought in the past, and now they're obsessing over trivia, and have devolved to featherbedding.<BR/><BR/>But if I had lived a hundred years ago...Oroboroushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01710250012500728430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-25669386231310681742007-08-19T20:37:00.000-07:002007-08-19T20:37:00.000-07:00As I scrolled down, not reading carefully, just sc...As I scrolled down, not reading carefully, just scanning, I read that Wilson the Progressive was some sort of Nazi-type racist. Not stated, but implied by the rest of the presentation, which is all about distinguishing 'liberal' from other viewpoints but most notably those who believe in 'liberty, is that the anti-liberal or anti-progressive sector would not have held similar racial views.<BR/><BR/>I got news for you. That's baloney, and pretty rancid baloney at that.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.com