tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post2796182723924246908..comments2023-10-31T03:18:26.963-07:00Comments on Great Guys Weblog: Meet The New McCarthyism, Same as the Old McCarthyismBrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15063508651955739056noreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-47662873488965435912014-03-07T20:52:23.305-08:002014-03-07T20:52:23.305-08:00I deny that Great Society programs did make blacks...<i>I deny that Great Society programs did make blacks dependent -- that is erp's and Robertson's fantasy. </i><br /><br />Progressive arrogance on parade -- you have only to state the obvious is a fantasy, and a fantasy it becomes.<br /><br /><i>But whether it did or not, it is an historical falsehood to imagine that they were not dependent earlier. </i><br /><br />Dependent on what?<br /><br />I also can't help but note that, with this comment, you have contradicted yourself. At the top, you called Robertson a racist, an idiot, and a jackass.<br /><br />Since then, you have beclowned yourself in your empty flailings to justify your defamations.<br /><br />Now you finally are seeing some light: what he said is merely (in your arrogant view) factually wrong.<br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_TtOuhlKov8C&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=afdc+criticism&source=bl&ots=Wo3EMxgPPZ&sig=xhhtX7kj4zf7xB1_BstI1e7DS9c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vaAaU9WEEZD_oQSjyYGwBg&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=afdc%20criticism&f=false" rel="nofollow">It isn't, of course</a>, and it is noteworthy that nearly a couple hundred comments in and you still haven't uttered a syllable about Robertson's point.<br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-1145653751051997242014-02-24T13:16:54.502-08:002014-02-24T13:16:54.502-08:00You imagine African-Americans were not dependent b...You imagine African-Americans were not dependent before?<br /><br />I suggest you read just the introduction to Margaret Humphreys' 'Malaria.' The part about window screens and sharecroppers. I just started it last night, but RtO already noticed her book on yellow fever.<br /><br />I deny that Great Society programs did make blacks dependent -- that is erp's and Robertson's fantasy. But whether it did or not, it is an historical falsehood to imagine that they were not dependent earlier.<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-29558712673129704912014-02-21T04:45:58.964-08:002014-02-21T04:45:58.964-08:00Harry:
How is it that you, and allot her progress...Harry:<br /><br />How is it that you, and allot her progressives, are so bound and determined to dodge his glaringly obvious point: progressive policies, by cultivating dependency, made many things <b>worse </b>for African Americans.<br /><br />Instead, you (and they) refute his own experience, bring up stampeding irrelevancies en route to trumpeting a baseless, and scurrilous insult.<br /><br />If you ever wonder why non-progressives find progressives so morally suspect, this is a good place to find some clues.<br /><br />Except I doubt progressives wonder at all, because progressives know that everyone who disagrees is either evil or stupid.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-83966469282773039612014-02-15T16:36:35.032-08:002014-02-15T16:36:35.032-08:00OK. More satisfactory.
Until the outside agitator...OK. More satisfactory.<br /><br />Until the outside agitators made 'em all uppity.<br /><br />You can see how uppity the teacher got after integration from the selection I quoted. <br /><br />For sure they would never have done that before the soul-destroying move to civic rights and economic oppportunity.<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-83546456465258678682014-02-12T20:47:17.410-08:002014-02-12T20:47:17.410-08:00It appears that, seen from the black side of the c...<i>It appears that, seen from the black side of the community, things were not so satisfactory as Robertson says. </i><br /><br />You might have a point if that is what Robertson said.<br /><br />But it isn't.<br /><br />So what's your point?Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-81125239622175863742014-02-12T11:39:00.788-08:002014-02-12T11:39:00.788-08:00Her point, I think, not mine.
It appears that, se...Her point, I think, not mine.<br /><br />It appears that, seen from the black side of the community, things were not so satisfactory as Robertson says.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-38085743288084371782014-02-11T13:49:01.590-08:002014-02-11T13:49:01.590-08:00Your point?Your point?Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-26749276112515487112014-02-10T08:44:57.463-08:002014-02-10T08:44:57.463-08:00A little something from the other side about life ...A little something from the other side about life in Monroe County:<br /><br />'With the White teachers, it was obvious that some of them were maskingtheir true feelings. I did not like the “nigger jokes.” One White teacher wason duty with me, she decided to share this nigger joke, and I walked awayand turned my back to her. I think she told the principal and we weren’t puttogether anymore. In the latter years after retirement, I have seen her; sheruns up and puts her arms around me.'<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/41088013/The-Indigenous-Black-People-of-MONROE-LOUISIANA-And-the-Surrounding-Cities-Towns-and-Villages<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-47579892203793540942014-02-09T17:36:27.021-08:002014-02-09T17:36:27.021-08:00I said Robertson said equal and Skipper said close...<i>I said Robertson said equal and Skipper said close. </i><br /><br />Reality says otherwise, which must be why you never refer to what people actually said:<br /><br /><i>I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues. </i><br /><br />Harry, the totalitarian is strong in you. Robertson wasn't talking about civil rights; his point was something else entirely.<br /><br />Yet, because you are a progressive, and progressives are always right, then what Robertson said was about civil rights even though it wasn't.<br /><br />Yes, obviously civil rights are important. So is widespread air conditioning. But he wasn't talking about either.<br /><br />What he was talking about is what you progressives can't stand to confront: progressive ideas, implemented, led to the breakdown of the African-American family, huge increases in drug abuse, violence, and schools perhaps even worse now than then.<br /><br />Instead, you, in the mold of progressives everywhere, have devoted a great deal of time painting him as a racist by invoking things he didn't say, and things that don't apply, and denying him his own experience.<br /><br />Congratulations.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-66917204145188503442014-02-08T11:52:57.511-08:002014-02-08T11:52:57.511-08:00I did not say close = equal.
I said Robertson sai...I did not say close = equal.<br /><br />I said Robertson said equal and Skipper said close.<br /><br />I did not think you meant to devalue civic rights (although Robertson did) but merely spoke too quickly.<br /><br />But if you don't think it's very important, perhaps I was incorrect.<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-90584253548246516372014-02-07T21:15:42.153-08:002014-02-07T21:15:42.153-08:00Harry, we have already established that, contrary ...Harry, we have already established that, contrary to your glaring category mistake, that happiness and the right to vote are scarcely related.<br /><br />Now we have an opportunity that "close" != exactly.<br /><br />And if the right to vote is the biggest thing you can come up with, in this regard close is near as darnnit to exactly.<br /><br />(As well, I shouldn't have to note this yet again, but you ability to jam meaning Robertson never intended into his own words is par for the progressive course.)Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-40072175667518994672014-02-07T18:33:22.303-08:002014-02-07T18:33:22.303-08:00OK, that took the Find function less then 2 second...OK, that took the Find function less then 2 seconds:<br /><br />'Except that he was close socially, economically and legally to black rural proletarians'<br /><br />Really? Legally? When they got to be 21, they all got to vote?Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-27283244479425110782014-02-07T11:17:22.206-08:002014-02-07T11:17:22.206-08:00How about doing us all a favor and using that fanc...How about doing us all a favor and using that fancy cut and paste thing to put the exact words on the screen, because I'm pretty sure you didn't say what you say you said, and I'm darn certain my response wasn't what you say it was. <br /><br />And I'm also pretty certain you never typed anything like " I asked if you thought they all had an equal chance of voting when they reached 21."<br /><br />I could be wrong, of course.<br /><br />But the best way to prove that is to bring facts to the table, not your imaginations.<br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-59027314256919539762014-02-07T11:08:06.472-08:002014-02-07T11:08:06.472-08:00O, yes, I remember it well. I said the white and b...O, yes, I remember it well. I said the white and black farmers were not equal socially or legally, and you responded that they were close.<br /><br />And I asked if you thought they all had an equal chance of voting when they reached 21.<br /><br />I don't think you ever answered that one directly. Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-40630640973731278812014-02-05T01:12:57.987-08:002014-02-05T01:12:57.987-08:00Dang, you could have fooled me, since I recall you...<i>Dang, you could have fooled me, since I recall your saying that the white and black farmers were legally 'close' and Robertson that they were equal. </i><br /><br />Why don't you supplement your recollection with what I, or Robertson, actually said?<br /><br />Because your recollection sucks.Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-88530612011385833582014-02-04T11:17:43.493-08:002014-02-04T11:17:43.493-08:00'Which no one contested in the first place....'Which no one contested in the first place.'<br /><br />Dang, you could have fooled me, since I recall your saying that the white and black farmers were legally 'close' and Robertson that they were equal.<br /><br />Not how I read the history.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-29189700004579966982014-02-02T23:33:08.504-08:002014-02-02T23:33:08.504-08:00Harry:
I can't believe you asked that questio...Harry:<br /><br />I can't believe you asked that question. There has been an inerrant pattern with your comments on this thread and in Behind Enemy Lines. Whenever you are challenged on something you said, you move the goalposts somewhere else entirely.<br /><br />Here is what you said:<br /><br /><i>Well, yes, I think self-government and the attendant personal responsibility and dignity that comes along with the franchise DOES contribute strongly to happiness. </i><br /><br />and<br /><br /><i>... the franchise was important to the happiness of people who did not have it. </i><br /><br />by way of insinuating Robertson had to be wrong about his (not your) neighbors' happiness because of their inability to vote.<br /><br />Which, when challenged with the inherent absurdity of that assertion, you magically morph into <br /><br /><i>People risked their lives to reassert their franchise? I take it to mean they valued it. </i><br /><br />Which no one contested in the first place.<br /><br />You started by insinuating Robertson (and I) didn't care about blacks voting because it was essential to their happiness, and end up insinuating I don't think it was important.<br /><br />The former is absurd on its face (hence the "Well?"), and the latter is irrelevant to discussing your morally pernicious claims about Robertson's racism. The gap between the two is unbridgeable by anything less than full fledged invention. <br /><br /><br />In this thread, and Behind Enemy lines, you have been refuted every step of the way, and responded to every challenge with evasion, irrelevance, elision, misquotation, fabrication, and a steadfast refusal to consider whether you might, just might, be wrong.<br /><br />That, which was endlessly demonstrated at Crooked Timber, and now here, is impossible for the Progressive in high dudgeon.<br /><br />In microcosm, it shows how the claim to certain knowledge opens the door to tragedy.<br /><br />History is replete with example where denunciations and certainty end.<br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-81410407873754590772014-02-02T19:10:53.382-08:002014-02-02T19:10:53.382-08:00Well, what?
People risked their lives to reassert...Well, what?<br /><br />People risked their lives to reassert their franchise? I take it to mean they valued it.<br /><br />Are you telling me they didn't?<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-61843190976246132882014-02-01T02:33:30.274-08:002014-02-01T02:33:30.274-08:00That the franchise was important to the happiness ...<i>That the franchise was important to the happiness of people who did not have it. </i><br /><br />Nonsense. Although typical enough for a progressive, who sees all human existence through the lens of politics.<br /><br />I'll repeat what I said above: <i>In order for your assertion to be at all relevant, as opposed to yet more goal post shifting, you would have to be able to demonstrate that happiness did, and does not, exist where people do not have the right to vote in contested elections. </i><br /><br />Well?Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-64170926681220894032014-01-31T13:19:03.923-08:002014-01-31T13:19:03.923-08:00That the franchise was important to the happiness ...That the franchise was important to the happiness of people who did not have it.<br /><br />The SCLC was not based on economics but on human rights. Notoriously, it was only in the short period before he was killed that Dr. King began to argue that economic betterment was as fundamental as human rights.<br /><br />Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-54737005762538313232014-01-30T22:21:49.109-08:002014-01-30T22:21:49.109-08:00Evidence of what?Evidence of what?Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-32241197546930204642014-01-30T21:03:03.301-08:002014-01-30T21:03:03.301-08:00That's what we were marching for. That's m...That's what we were marching for. That's my evidence.Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-36173806000599132132014-01-30T12:56:48.598-08:002014-01-30T12:56:48.598-08:00Harry, no one said the franchise was unimportant. ...Harry, no one said the franchise was unimportant. <br /><br />You cooked up that all on your own, by imposing it upon other qualities of life for which the franchise is by far from the most important consideration.<br /><br />In order for your assertion to be at all relevant, as opposed to yet more goal post shifting, you would have to be able to demonstrate that happiness did, and does not, exist where people do not have the right to vote in contested elections.<br /><br />You won't because you can't. Which rather renders every comment you have made in this regard a waste of pixels.<br /><br /><br /><br />Hey Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798930502187234974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-63956284017802819792014-01-30T11:36:55.295-08:002014-01-30T11:36:55.295-08:00Very strange. I say the franchise is important and...Very strange. I say the franchise is important and 1) I am accused of materialism by 2) people who in other contexts are quick to refer back to the constitutional crisis of the 1770s and '80s.<br /><br /> Harry Eagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196202758858876402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5806884.post-15332890879057037582014-01-29T06:19:33.712-08:002014-01-29T06:19:33.712-08:00Skipper, I share your shame in not being able to f...Skipper, I share your shame in not being able to fully articulate how much the destruction of our country hurts not only us, but the entire world which now has nowhere on earth to look to as a shinning beacon of liberty and freedom.<br /><br />I understand the Won, will now take a magic wand in hand and do his (well his handlers') will by fiat.<br /><br />Mazel tov.<br /><br />Where are the writers of those stirring songs of the 60's who took on the establishment and turned our country on its head?<br /><br />They are badly needed now to overthrow the establishment they made that make the earlier one look like babes at play.erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826044412670324694noreply@blogger.com