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Wednesday, October 01, 2014

Ultimate Insurance

There have been recent breaches of White House security and the New York Times notes that:
...even opposition lawmakers who have spent the last six years fighting his every initiative have expressed deep worry for his security.
As an example of such an opposition lawmaker:
“The American people want to know: Is the president safe?” Representative Darrell Issa of California, the Republican committee chairman who has made it his mission to investigate all sorts of Obama administration missteps, solemnly intoned as he opened a hearing into the lapses on Tuesday.
The Times article's author seems to find it unlikely that the feelings are genuine:
...it would not be all that surprising if Mr. Obama were a little wary of all the professed sympathy.
But whether or not you think Republicans would normally secretly (or overtly) wish for the President to be assassinated, you have to remember that Obama has something no liberal president has ever had, an insurance policy so powerful and so comprehensive, that no sane person (and/or Republican) would ever consider, even for a nanosecond, intentionally killing Obama.  And that something can be summed up in one word: Biden.

52 comments:

Clovis e Adri said...

I know it is a joke with the man, but in all my ignorance I must ask: what's the problem with Biden?

Annoying Old Guy said...

Clovis;

I could explain it but you'd probably just accuse me of quoting Biden out of context. I will say he's not called "Slow Joe" for no reason.

Clovis e Adri said...

Hmm, I see, he utters spontaneous dumb phrases sometimes.

Gee, it would be like having Bush all olver again.

Bret said...

If Bush were VP, it would be insurance against Democrats wanting to assassinate Obama. With Biden, it's insurance against Republicans wanting to assassinate Obama, which was my point.

Clovis e Adri said...

Bret,

I get it, but jokes apart, I guess Biden would make a better president than Obama, and I mean it.

Bret said...

Wow, I can't even begin to imagine why you think that.

Bret said...

I can't even think of what to ask you to begin to understand your point of view. I'm totally baffled.

Clovis e Adri said...

Bret,

It is about leadership. My experience tells me good hearted but dumb ones usually make for better leaders than too-smart but aloof egocentrical ones.

For one thing, they more often delegate decisions in areas they do not feel knowledgeable about, instead of centralizing and making a botch of it.

Annoying Old Guy said...

Clovis;

So, why don't you like Bush? You think he's evil hearted? Even then, with Obama we have someone who's dumb and not good hearted.

I would note also that Bush had a tendency to mispeak, but Biden says stupid things.

Let's not forget the fact that Old Media (particular the things you seem to read) dwell at great length on any verbal mistake by Bush but pass right on by Biden (and Obama). There are major examples of Old Media simply making quotes up when reality didn't suit (e.g., the "sixteen words" issue, in which Bush was correct and his detractors wrong - if you disagree, please quote what Bush actually said).

Clovis e Adri said...

AOG,

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So, why don't you like Bush? You think he's evil hearted? Even then, with Obama we have someone who's dumb and not good hearted.
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I never said I don't like Bush (I have no feelings towards him), but I would not portray him as good hearted indeed. As for Obama, if you are right you just gave one more reason then for Biden to be possibly better.

I have no idea of what you are talking about on this "sixteen words" stuff. You don't need to argue further though, for I agree a good part of the Media covers for Obama in too many ways.

Bret said...

Clovis wrote: "My experience tells me good hearted but dumb ones usually make for better leaders than too-smart but aloof egocentrical ones."

My experience too. Unfortunately, everything I know about Biden is that he's both not particularly bright AND an aloof egocentric fool who has far more confidence in his abilities than he ought to.

Harry Eagar said...

I think you underestimate the hatred out there:

http://wonkette.com/562425/wingnut-super-lawyer-larry-klayman-wants-obama-deported-over-fake-birth-certificate

Bret said...

Harry,

This is primarily about congress folk. Sure, at the extremes of either party there's unlimited hatred.

erp said...

Harry, Obama was adopted by his Indonesian step father and became an Indonesian national. Once such an adoption occurs the original birth certificate is altered. He went to Occidental as a foreign student and went to Pakistan with an Indonesian passport. There is no record of his petitioning the court to restore his U.S. citizenship as was his right after age 18. So there is no way the birth certificate he’s put out is valid.

That's only one of the anomalies in his alleged history. Another is the matter of his multiple social security numbers and that the one he currently uses was given to a German immigrant living in Connecticut who moved to Hawaii and died there.

How do you explain these things?

Obama is a fraud on so many levels and he's the face of the movement destroying the country in every imaginable way and yet you continue to link to ridiculous sites as if anything they say would prove your paranoid view of racism behind every door and under every bed instead of looking square into the face of a global disaster of unparalleled proportions.

Give it up.

adri said...

Oh yeah Erp, and surely you have solid proof of all that.

You may have a point, Harry, the media sometimes may give a free pass to Obama due to the large number of crazy people around, as Erp readily exemplifies.

erp said...

Clovis, I actually had proof in a file I'd compiled after Obama and his beard did the Jack and Jackie skit at Kerry's convention in Boston, but when it became apparent he would be nominated and I went to the file, GUESS WHAT, it was all the links had gone into 407 land. There was stuff about how Obama got elected in Illinois, all about Jarrett's connections to the Middle East and how she owned the property where the Olympics was supposed to be built, why both Obama's lost their law licenses, etc.

In those innocent days, I had no idea how complete the left’s control of everything had become. Now although I take screen shots and print everything I think is at risk of being “disappeared,” it’s like locking the barn door after the horses have been stolen.

BTW did you know that since Obama Sr, was legally married in Kenya, and as he was in Hawaii on a student visa with a British passport and that was well known, there is no way he could have married Obama’s alleged 17 years old mother who left Hawaii with the three week old infant for graduate work in Oregon and that is why there is no record of a divorce, however since he looks very much like Stanley Dunham, there is definitely some consanguinity there.

Not that any of that matters anymore.

Clovis e Adri said...

Erp,

The amazing thing is, you have all the internet to search for better information, yet you believe in those rumors just like the old days of gossiping around in your neighborhood.

I will give you the first step, the others are home exercises.

erp said...

Obama lied about never going by a different name on his law license form. That's why he lost his license. His beard is a different case.

My neighborhood gossip? The internet ate my homework. Didn't you read what I said?

Obama and everything about him, his family, his life is a lie.

Harry Eagar said...

It is hard to know how many haters Klayman represents. In fair moods, I'd like to think only a few, being multiplied by the Internet echo chamber.

But then I go out and about my community and find people spouting off erp-style hatred and silliness to helpless and horrified bank tellers. It is a deep, deep sickness which reminds me of the obsessive racists who were everywhere in the South during my youth. The ones who, if you said it was a nice day, would start railing against negroes.

Guess what? They never went away.

Harry Eagar said...

C'mon, erp, don't be coy, just tell us your source is World Nut Daily. All that supposedly disappeared information is available in Jerome Corsi's book (#117,347 at Amazon), which the Obama gang somehow has failed to burn.

Bret said...

Harry wrote: "They never went away."

Yes, well, murderers have never gone away either, and are a serious problem, but most of us don't see them under the bed and around every corner.

Perhaps in your world, folks who frequently "start railing against negroes" really do exist on every street corner, but having been to Maui several times, I'm extremely doubtful. Though I have seen a little anti-white (haole) racism in the islands, but still not on every street corner.

Harry Eagar said...

Please re-read post for content. The railing against negroes was everyday life in the South.

If you were to go into the community on Maui, you would run into a lot of antiblack racism, despite so few black people here to hate on. And if you worked for a Jew, as I do, you would be subjected to a really surprising (to me) amount of antisemitism, and the targets for that are even scarcer than blacks. Until recently, there were not enough Jews resident on Maui for a minyan.

Bret said...

I took the "never went away" part as you were still surrounded by them.

I've been to the South too, and no, they're not still on every street corner there either. Or this wouldn't be happening:

"After decades of mass exodus, blacks are returning to the South in one of the most notable migrations of the new century."

Harry Eagar said...

What happened was that liberals changed the laws so that black people now have opportunities to work in the South (not at every business, but at many). And conservatives drove the inner-city jobs offshore, so they have to move someplace.

You may not have been to every part of the South. The part where erp lives, for example, has pure racist radio shows with huge listenerships.

erp said...

1. Unions and crony capitalists aka fascists drove jobs off shore.

2. Harry which of the items listed about Obama are untrue and which is/are racist?

3. Non sequitur no. one gazillion and one = radio program in what you think is my neck of the woods?

4. Congratulations! Rather than define right wingers you are using the word, Conservatives, to depict those you wish to smear and demonize. Won't work.

Conservatives are classic liberals.

Harry Eagar said...

Neal Boortz.

Since the driving offshore happened in the '80s, then thr crony of your crony capitalists must have been Reagan.

erp said...

No. Fascists only took over with Obama.

Bret said...

Biden Overstates Deaths in Joplin, Missouri Tornado By 160,839"

This is another one where Biden shows an utter lack of the ability to think.

First, the population of Joplin is 50,000 so it's a little tough for 161,000 to die. But okay, one can forgive him for not knowing that Joplin is pretty small.

It's more the general concept of how things work. The maximum number of people killed in all of recorded history by a single tornado or family of tornadoes is about 1,300. Only 42 have ever been recorded to have killed 100 or more people and over half of those have been in Bangladesh.

This is because the effects of tornados are extremely localized. Even if a EF5 tornado cut a swath through Manhattan or Tokyo, it probably still wouldn't be able to kill anywhere near that many people.

This should be obvious to anyone, including Biden.

Harry Eagar said...

I have defined rightwing, you just didn't like the definition. Not my problem.

The jobs were driven offshore in the '80s. It did not have to happen; it was engineered by Reaganauts. First they were driven to the non-union South, to the widely-expressed satisfaction of the rightwingers. I well remember writing an editorial in The Business Record warning that the jobs would not stop in South Carolina but would end up in South Korea.

I was right, of course.

I completely agree with you about Reagan and his crony capitalists. The tax laws were changed -- to loud cheering by rightwingers -- to disadvantage workers and give even more control to capital.

I predicted it would be a disaster and it was.

I realize you live in a fantasy world, but even you must have heard out the export of US jobs prior to 2008.

Howard said...

Of course global competition, regulations - environmental and others, and creative destruction had nothing to do with the loss of some types of jobs... You really are an ignorant fool.

Clovis e Adri said...

Bret,

Actually, that spontaneuous sincerity that comes from being like Biden is one thing I value.

Take for example his recent blunt declarations - probably giving away almost classified information - on Turkey, Qataris and Saudis.

In a few lines he confirmed much of what I suspected and discussed with Skipper a while ago at another thread.

If you read beyond the too easy ridicule being made of Biden on conservative channels, you can see that you have here a man who is both too sincere and simple minded to grant that a democracy works like it should, instead of a mastermind able to rule over a Big Brother state. So I keep my point, Biden is cool enough for me.

erp said...

Harry, what Howard said.

Harry Eagar said...

Those were all factors, Howard, but as I observed while it was happening (perhaps you were not there), there was a deliberate push to drive off American jobs.

It was stated that once American labor was 'disciplined,' the jobs would come back.

There was some stupidity going on, but I was not then nor am now an example of it.

erp said...

The fascist destruction of the U.S. economy is deliberate as is their acquiescence to Islamic brutality -- all to scare us into allowing a left wing dictatorship here.

Harry Eagar said...

Yeah, it was Barack and Saul who crashed the financial system in 2008, and Bush did nothing -- NOTHING, do you hear me? -- to stop them. They're all in it together, Paulson, Goldman, all of them want a left dictatorship.

Y'know, erp, you need to change residences. The poisonous atmosphere of south-central Florida is making you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

I am willing to bet a large sum that we will have national elections in 2016 and the winners, whoever they are, will take office just as usual for the past couple centuries. And I'll give odds.

You could spend the rest of your life in luxury on my dime if you are right. Are you on?

erp said...

I don't want anything from you Harry. I'm already living a life of luxury.

Right now I'm in San Francisco with boots on ground zero of the noble experiment and guess what? Everyone here is working very hard to make a lot of money while still mouthing the foolishness of left wing theology. Won't end well.

Elections? Who said there won't be elections?

All dictatorships have elections where voting is mandatory and dear leader is so beloved he wins 99% of the vote.

Have you always had this problem with reading comprehension?

Clovis e Adri said...

Erp,

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Right now I'm in San Francisco with boots on ground zero of the noble experiment and guess what? Everyone here is working very hard to make a lot of money while still mouthing the foolishness of left wing theology. Won't end well.
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What? Are you surprised that, contrary to your picture of left-wingers looking for handouts in every corner, they are actually hard working people?

Next we know Erp will be smoking some weed and talking about love and peace...

Annoying Old Guy said...

Mr. Eagar wrote

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If you were to go into the community on Maui, you would run into a lot of antiblack racism, [...] you would be subjected to a really surprising (to me) amount of antisemitism
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That's what you get for living in a heavily Democratic Party supporting place. That's the party of racism, then and now.

Clovis;

With regard to Biden, you really need to go back and read the history about Valery Plame, when all of Old Media was claiming Bush should be impeached because one of this aides had outed Plame. Yet Biden gets a complete pass on worse things multiple times. Will Biden still be cool with you when people die because of his "blunt" statements?

Harry Eagar said...

So heavily-Democratic that it elected a Jewish Republican governor, twice.

Nice try, though.

I did not say there is a great deal of antisemitism on Maui, just that, considering that there are hardly any Jews, to find it at all surprises me.

erp said...

Clovis, it's not surprising. Lefties love money, but when they make a bunch they don't like to actually spend it to support their crack-brained delusionary schemes, so they have benefit concerts or set up tax free foundations and elicit donations, etc.

I don't need weed to support love and peace.

Clovis e Adri said...

AOG,

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Yet Biden gets a complete pass on worse things multiple times. Will Biden still be cool with you when people die because of his "blunt" statements?
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Sorry but what are you talking about? What's "worse multiple times" that he gave away?

I did not see any remark by Biden that remotely looks like outing a secret agent for payback against her husband's political opinions. Do you have any to point out?

Annoying Old Guy said...

Clovis;

Let's note first that nobody in the Bush Administration actually outed a secret agent for payback.

As for Biden, we could take your examples, or such examples as putting Seal Team Six at risk.

Although I may be a bit too harsh on Biden, mistaking other agents being revealed by the White House for Biden in particular.

Still, once by Biden is more than Bush.

Clovis e Adri said...

AOG,

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Let's note first that nobody in the Bush Administration actually outed a secret agent for payback.
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You mean it in the same sense that Al Capone was never a murderer, only a tax cheater, right?

And you showed exactly zero proof of your alleged endangering of anyone by Biden. Did you even read your link?

Harry Eagar said...

I'd say Bush endangered a whole lot of people.

I don't have many thoughts about Biden but I wish he hadn't apologized to Erdogan for telling the truth about the Turks.

Annoying Old Guy said...

Clovis;

You mean it in the same sense that Al Capone was never a murderer, only a tax cheater, right?

No. The accusation was completely false.

I did read the cited article, which pointed out that increased security was needed for those Biden outed, in response to the increased risk.

Clovis e Adri said...

AOG,

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No. The accusation was completely false.
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And wuold you care to enlighten me on how so? Do you have the real reason for the CIA agent to be outed?

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I did read the cited article, which pointed out that increased security was needed for those Biden outed, in response to the increased risk.
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That's only your interpretation, for the record.

Annoying Old Guy said...

Clovis;

wuold you care to enlighten me on how so?

No one was ordered to do so, it wasn't any sort of payback, and it wasn't Scooter Libby who did it.

Do you have the real reason for the CIA agent to be outed?

Stupidity, just like Biden. Plus no one involved thought Plame's identity was secret in the first place. It certainly wasn't on anyone's order, especially not Bush's. Let us note the actual leaker, Richard Armitage, was never punished in any way whatsoever for this, so it doesn't seem to have even been a crime of negligence.

Yes, that's my interpretation. Your explanation for the increased security is...?

Clovis e Adri said...

AOG,

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Your explanation for the increased security is...?
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The same as yours for everything else: stupidity.

Annoying Old Guy said...

So, two is equal to "everything". Huh.

Harry Eagar said...

'Let us note the actual leaker, Richard Armitage, was never punished in any way'

Let us note that nobody in the Bush administration was ever punished in any way for anything, despite some really spectacular bad things that were done.

As for stupidity, I'll note personally that Armitage and I were on the same high school football team. I suppose the biggest shock of my life was to learn that he had been given responsbility for anything.


Annoying Old Guy said...

Last I checked, Libby ended up in jail. Bush himself was and continues to be pilloried in our national media.

Bret said...

Some of the upcoming republican congress agree with me.